good morning. it is tuesday, july 10th, 2012. welcome to studio 57 at the cbs broadcast center. i'm charlie rose. showdown over tax cuts. republicans say president obama's plan to extend tax cuts is really just a tax hike on the wealthy, while mitt romney takes a commanding lead in the campaign fund-raising battle. i'm erica hill. is law enforcement using your cell phone to spy on you? john miller goes inside the massive surge in cell phone surveillance. and i'm gayle king. she and her sister both won big at wimbledon. tennis champ venus williams drops by studio 57. plus, we'll talk with bonnie ra raitt about her big comeback. but first as we do every morning, we begin with a look at

today's "eye opener," your world in 90 seconds. >> keep in mind that what i'm for 98% of the people. middle-class tax cuts. >> republicans want to keep the tax cuts in place for everyone, including wealthy americans. >> say hello once again to our little friend, class warfare. >> meantime, the president was out-raised for the second month in a row. romney hauled in a record $106 million. >> out of force of habit, went to the cayman islands and realized, oh. it is now official, continental u.s. has set a record for the hottest first six months in a calendar year. >> and all that heat is certainly not helping as widespread drought takes a toll on crops. >> oh, gee whiz, just one shower, that's all we need, you know, just one good shower. federal officials are asking for the public's help in finding four fugitives accused in the kilng of border patrol agent brian terry. emotions boil over at a

courthouse down in florida, bringing on an all-out brawl. how do you get rid of a bag full of hand grenades? very carefully. >> all that -- >> a new jersey teen took a dramatic leap of faith when a storm swept in. it was all caught on camera. >> they're running for their lives again. four people got some bumps and bruises during the annual running of the bulls in pamplona today. >> and all that matters -- prince fielder is the winner of the 2012 home run derby! prince is the king. >> on "cbs this morning." >> tom cruise and katie holmes just two weeks after separating announced a settlement. >> he announced the divorce by jumping up and down on oprah's couch. captioning funded by cbs welcome to "cbs this morning." republicans are taking aim at president obama's two signature issues. the house begins a move to repeal the health care law. >> and the gop is rejecting the

president's call to extend tax cuts for families making less than $250,000 a year. nancy cordes is on capitol hill. nancy, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, erica and charlie. well, republicans immediately dismissed the president's tax plan as a tax hike on job-creators in a weak economy. so, both sides are digging in here, even though about 98% of americans would fair about the same under their two plans. >> i'm not proposing anything radical here. >> reporter: president obama officially called on congress monday to extend the low bush-era tax cuts for one more year but not for the top earners, individuals making more than $200,000 a year or households with a combined income above $250,000. >> many members of the other party believe that prosperity comes from the top down, so that if we spend trillions more on tax cuts for the wealthiest americans, that that will somehow unleash jobs and

economic growth. i disagree. i think they're wrong. >> reporter: but house majority leader eric cantor and other republican leaders said the president was wrong for wanting to raise taxes on anyone. >> it is our wish for the american people that we say, fine, no taxes are going to go up on anybody, at the lower end of the income spectrum or the higher end. >> reporter: under both plans, households earning about $55,000 would continue to save about $2,700 in taxes next year. households making between $100,000 and $200,000 could save $6,000 or more. but wealthier americans would save far more under the republican proposal. households bringing in between $500,000 and $1 million a year would save $29,000 a year, more than three times what they would save under the president's proposal. the republicans' plan adds about $700 billion more to the debt over ten years than the president's plan does.

is it worth that much money? >> well, i think there's a really dispute as to, if you were to look at perhaps the growth potential, if you really allow people to keep more of their hard-earned money, we'll see more confidence come back into the economy. >> reporter: the white house ups the ante, saying the president won't sign a bill that extends the tax cuts for the top 2%. but the president has made that threat before and had to back down when he didn't have the votes. he doesn't appear to have the votes right now, even though the white house is pushing the notion that even wealthy americans would get a tax cut under his plan, because the first $250,000 of their income would be taxed at that lower rate. republicans say that's not enough. all of their income should be taxed at today's low level. >> nancy, thank you very much. the president will put his tax cut plan to iowa voters on the campaign trip this morning. mitt romney will be campaigning in colorado. >> as bill plante reports, the former massachusetts governor is now winning the financial race

by a wide margin. those numbers just coming out this week. bill, good morning. >> reporter: well, good morning to you. it's now been two months in a row that mitt romney and the republicans have taken in more money than the president and the democrats. this raises the possibility that this president, until now the most prodigious fund-raiser in politics, could be the first incumbent to be out-raised and out-spent by his opponent. in june, the president raised $71 million, but he was far out-paced by the romney campaign, which raised $106 million. that's the second straight month . in may, romney had the advantage by about $17 million. the obama campaign is sounding the alarm. in an e-mail plea for donations, campaign manager jim messina wrote "the republican gap is getting wider, and if it continues at this pace, it could cost us the election." it's a sentiment that the president has repeatedly echoed in recent weeks.

>> so, i need you to hit the doors, i need you to make some phone calls, i need you to register your friends, get your family members going. >> reporter: but it's not for lack of trying. mr. obama has been fund-raising at an unprecedented rate. he's done 107 fund-raisers so far this year, compared to 36 for george w. bush at this time in his 2004 re-election campaign. the president has even made fund-raising calls to big donors from air force one. in 2008, mr. obama out-spent john mccain by roughly 3-1. buoyed by the enthusiasm of small donors as well as big money from wall street and hollywood. but this year, wall street is far less generous, and the small donors far less excited. mitt romney has had no trouble raising money from wealthy supporters. this past weekend at estates in the hamptons, where the price of admission was $75,000 a couple. the president is also warning supporters about the money from outside groups who can raise unlimited amounts, where the gop

has the advantage. >> the other side's spending more money than ever before. you've got billionaires just writing $10 million checks. yeah, they just -- they're spending money like nobody's business. >> reporter: well, the one place where the president so far has a head start is in the eight key swing states, where his campaign has spent $40 million in advertising to date. compared to romney, who's only spent $13 million, that's a big difference, but campaign officials are issuing a clarion call about these numbers, saying, you know, it's time to do something to raise more. erica, charlie? >> bill, thank you very much. let's bring in chief washington correspondent and host of "face the nation," bob schieffer. bob, good morning. >> hey. >> so, jim messina said it will cost the election if this kind of fund-raising gap continues. is that simply fund-raising rhetoric or is that a real scare for the obama re-election effort? >> well, i think the obama

people take this very seriously. i mean, money matters, and all you have to do is go back to the republican primaries to see an example of that. i mean, look, every time that an alternative to mitt romney, you know, sort of emerged during those primaries, romney, who had more money than all the other candidates, simply dumped a lot of negative advertising on him, and that alternative went away, just one after the other. i think, also, when you listen to what bill plante was just talking about, although obama is running behind in raising money, he's spending more money in these swing states, and in those swing states where he's running all these ads about romney and vulture capitalism and all that, obama has the lead. whether he can keep that or not, we'll find out as this goes on. but this is certainly something when the obama people say they're concerned about it, i kind of take them at their word,

charlie. >> there's also this question. they're spending that money early, the obama team, in order to define mitt romney early on. is that working? >> yes. well, it is in some of those swing states, certainly, or at least it seems to be. i think both of these campaigns, though, charlie, are going to have to get positive here somewhere down the line. president obama has got to give us more specifics, it seems to me, somewhere along the line, about what it is he actually intends to do in this second term in the same way that we're going to have to get some specifics, it seems to me, from mitt romney. you know, as even his own supporters say, he's got to give us something more than just say we're better off without barack obama. you know, sunday on "face the nation," haley barbour was talking about it, and he said, you know, there's a lot to love about mitt romney. because you'll remember, john boehner, the republican house

speaker, said earlier in the week he couldn't make people love mitt romney. haley barbour said, well, there's a lot to love about him, but said in the end, i think the election is all about defeating barack obama. i'm not sure that's right. i think both of these candidates are going to have to give us a little more to go on. it's so close now and it's going to be close right up until the end. >> bob, talk with us a little bit about this announcement from the president yesterday about the tax cuts. a lot of people saying this is purely political, despite denials from the white house. is it an attempt to simply move away from the numbers on the economy and friday's job report? >> well, you can certainly make that argument. yes, i would guess that there is a political component to this. we do have an election coming here, but this is just a continuing effort to draw the line. because while the romney people are trying to make this a referendum on barack obama, the obama people are trying to make

it a referendum on mitt romney. they're saying, look, if we're elected, this is what's going to happen, and if you elect him, that's what's going to happen. it's all rhetoric, though. i mean, congress is not going to pass this proposal that the president put out. this is, you know, about the 40th time he's put it out. and by the same token, congress is not going to repeal the health care law, because the republicans are going to bring that to a vote in the house this week for about the 40th time. this is just all things to talk about during the election, and that's not what this election's going to be decided on, erica, but this is just an effort to continue to draw the line to show the differences between these two candidates, and they're both doing it. >> bob schieffer, always nice to talk with you. thanks. >> you bet. rahm emanuel used to be the president's chief of staff. now as mayor of chicago, he says washington isn't helping him do his job. "cbs evening news" anchor scott

pele asked emanuel about the difference between the white house and the mayor's office. >> reporter: in terms of jobs, as a mayor, is washington so gridlocked now that it's essentially useless to you and you need to go out and do your own thing in the city of chicago because the help's not coming from d.c.? >> well, yes and no. i can't create an island. so, that's one thing. so, the decisions in washington do matter. but where i used to, as a mayor, rely on washington, i'm going to try to come up with different strategies to do a breakout, because i'm not going to get stuck in their dysfunctionality and i'm not going to get caught in the fact of the state -- they have their own budgetary issues. i could not wait for washington to get a highway bill. and even when they get it, it doesn't have everything we need to do, so we've made certain decisions that we need to do. that's true about our mass

transit system, that's true about our water system, our sewer system, and then 2,000 miles of road are going to get repa repaved at the city, just in the next decade. i can't wait for washington, and so i have to do that. >> you said that washington was dysfunctional. >> okay. is that a breaking news? you're not going to go live with that right now, are you, scott? >> that's the way it seems to you running the third largest city in america, dysfunctional. >> i think that, yeah, i mean, i have my own view of why, but i think that it is, on certain things, decided, in my view, allow an ideology to become an impasse to progress, where it's a mistake. you should not be more loyal and more of a slave to ideology. be pragmatic, make a decision. we're doing things in the city of chicago that have nothing to do with philosophy, ideology. it has to do with making sure taxpayers and residents get what they deserve. >> rahm emanuel talking to scott pele. more of that conversation with the mayor later this week.

they'll be talking about jobs and the economy on "cbs evening news." the fbi is asking for help in finding the killers of a border patrol agent whose murder is linked to a controversial gun-running operation. brian terry was shot to death 18 months ago in arizona. weapons found at the scene were traced to the botched "fast and furious" operation which was first exposed by cbs news. on monday, federal prosecutors released the identities of four men accused of killing terry. they are believed to be in mexico. the fbi is offering a $1 million reward. u.n. peace envoy kofi annan is in iran this morning trying to get support for his latest peace effort in syria. the former secretary-general met with syrian president bashar al assad monday. meanwhile, the violence in syria has triggered a growing refugee issue in neighboring turkey. carissa ward is in turkey on the syrian border with that story. >> reporter: there are currently more than 36,000 syrian refugees living here inside turkey, and

300 more are making the journey across the border every single day to try to escape the fighting and violence inside their country. tensions along the border have really ratcheted up in the last couple weeks after the syrian military shot down two turkish pilots. the turkish military has responded by bolstering its presence along this border. and one official here told us that "we are ready to meet any challenges that the syrian military is going to try to put to us." meanwhile, kofi annan, u.n. special envoy, in damascus yesterday, saying he and president al assad have agreed on a joint approach to ending the violence, but opposition members here saying that annan's peace plan has really lost all credibility and that it is impossible for them to fathom continuing on a peace plan which would allow president assad to stay in power of any sort. for "cbs this morning," i'm clarissa ward in turkey. it is time to show you some of this morning's headlines from around the globe. the "wall street journal" reports google is close to

paying a $22.5 million fine for violating the privacy of mac users. google is charged with using a special code to trick privacy settings on apple's software. google says that was unintentional. this would be the largest government fine ever on a single company. students saying school is too easy? the center for american progress is quoted in the "usa today" study. 34% of fourth graders said their math work is often or always too easy. 57% of eighth graders said the same thing about history. "the new york times" reports 70 students at one of new york city's top high schools are involved in a cheating scandal. school officials say they used smartphones to cheat on state exams. several students could be suspended and all of them will have to retake the tests. and britain's "telegraph" says north korea's new leader enjoyed an unauthorized disney

show. a concert at pyongyang included characters like mickey and mini mouse and dumbo. it is the first to feature western culture. disney says it did not approve it. a blistering heat wave has broken in most of the country. however, the two weeks of scorching temperatures helped to break the u.s. -- helped the u.s. break a record for the hottest first half of the year dating back to 1895. every state in the lower 48 except washington and oregon had warmer-than-average temperatures, and 28 of those states set records.

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fbi insider john miller what investigators are looking for and who needs to be concerned about it. and a chronic illness is taking a toll on venus williams. still, she just won another wimbledon title with her sister. and up next, the olympics later this month. venus williams talks with us about fighting her disease and plans after tennis on "cbs this morning." >> announcer: this portion of "cbs this morning" sponsored by discover card. it pays to switch it pays to discover. st forest fresh full tank brain freeze cake donettes rolling hot dogs bag of ice anti-freeze wash and dry diesel self-serve fix a flat jumper cables 5% cashback signup for 5% cashback at gas stations through september. it pays to discover.

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mitchell. roy went into a convenience store in brandon, mississippi, to get a bag of nacho cheese doritos. he paid for the doritos, but then when the clerk turned around, he pulled a gun out and demanded all the money in the cash register. and now, this is where it gets good. now, he's got the gun. this is his mom who comes in, yells at him, takes the gun out of his hand and forced him to leave with her, which he did, but before he went, he made sure to grab those doritos. he was arrested on charges of attempted armed robbery, and he's also grounded for three weeks. >> there is a woman i want to interview. >> i love her. >> you walk in and your son has a gun in his hand and you say, don't do that, and he knows that mom rules. >> he almost did that, aww, mom in the body language. mom, come on! >> you should have stayed at home. >> and he took the doritos. >> haes he did. his mom raised him well.

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this is some video of a fight. it happened outside a florida courtroom yesterday after a hearing in a double murder case. the family of the victims and the suspect, as you can see here, start punching and kicking. for unknown reasons, both families were allowed to leave the courtroom together. court officers admit that was a mistake. welcome back to "cbs this morning." wow. >> as we first told you on monday, law enforcement agencies are more interested in our cell phones than ever. cell providers tell congress that last year they received 1.3 million requests for information about subscribers. that disclosure's raising questions about user privacy and why the information is being gathered in the first place. senior correspondent john miller spoke with top officials at the nypd and the fbi is with us.

good morning. >> good morning. >> so, what are they looking for? >> they're looking for records. people see these stories, and immediately after the headline, they think, well, they're all listening in. actually what they're looking for is all of that stuff that we have in our devices. when you think about what's in your blackberry, what's in your iphone, what's on your cell phone, it's not just the numbers you call. there is text messages in there, there's other data, there's geolocation data that list where you were and when. so, a lot. >> and is the number a large number? >> it sounds like a lot, 1.3 million requests. but when you consider there's 300 million americans, there's 18,000 law enforcement agencies spread across the country, it's not that big a number. >> but is it indicative that law enforcement officials are going to do more and more and more of this? >> i think it is, and i think it's kind of driven by the changing role of the cell phone. first of all, it used to be, you know, you had your phone at home and your phone at work, and you know, it was a big deal to get

those records. now everybody has two or three devices. and when you get into a criminal organization, they have two or three devices and they change them out every couple of weeks on the idea of staying a step ahead of law enforcement, so the numbers grow. >> so, who are they -- you mentioned if it's maybe a suspected criminal they're going after. does the average american have to worry about law enforcement trying to look at their records? >> not really. the average american is kind of out of the loop here.& now, let me just qualify that. let's say a terrorism investigation, you come up as a suspect. i'm the fbi agent assigned to that case and i say i need to know about this person. so, i'm going to say, well, let me take -- i'm trying to figure out are they part of a cell. let me take their phone records and kind of use that to map who is their social network. and if i'm going to identify who might be criminal associates or who might be involved in a plot, let's see who they call the most and when and so on. >> so, if you're calling me a lot, they could look at me. what about privacy concerns? because a lot of people have

voiced concern, including congressman ed markey. valid? >> privacy concerns are valid. so, the question is, when a law enforcement agency goes for these records, have they established a proper purpose? is it a legitimate investigation? is there a record of that? if they were to go back at that and look at it, can they justify this is why we were interested in this person and this is why that circle grew out into others? but basically, these work on a step ladder of intrusiveness. so, the first thing, the least intrusive is what are your toll records? who are you -- you know, next up the line would be geolocation. where were you when you made those calls? next up the line would be the realtime toll records, and that's a pen register. that means as you dial the number. now we're in to court-order territory. you've got to go to a judge and get that. as you dial the number, it's fed in realtime to law enforcement.

and the last piece in order of intrusiveness, of course, is a wiretap. but most of this that they're talking about is just transactional records. >> but how much of it is linked to terror and the fear of terror? >> a lot. and there's a different standard there. nobody wrote this down in the book or anything, but the reality is, if somebody goes in and sticks up the bank on the corner and shoots the guard and runs away, nobody holds hearings to say, why didn't the police and fbi know about this beforehand and stop it. if somebody places a bomb on a subway train somewhere, everyone's going to want to know why didn't we have this intelligence, why didn't we look at this person, the people they were connected to. so, there's a lot of that in terrorism investigations, which is developing who's the person and who are the people around him in communication. >> thanks, john. good to see you. >> thanks for having me. after a string of health problems, the williams sisters won their fifth wimbledon doubles title over the weekend. venus williams is here this morning looking back at that victory and ahead to the olympics. and tomorrow, the legendary stevie nicks in studio 57 talking about her four decades

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can you imagine you're in this situation? let me set the scene for you. in new jersey, a teenager, you can see, jumps off a chair lift. apparently, she was stranded with her friend as a violent thunderstorm was approaching. the ride had stopped. in a panic, the girl kicks off her shoes and jumps. she fell 35 feet, was only bruised, amazingly. her friend actually got off safely after she put the power back on. i don't ever want to be in that situation. welcome back to "cbs this morning." for 20 years now -- for 12 years now, venus williams has been winning championships at wimbledon. this weekend, she won the women's doubles with her sister, serena, their 13th grand slam doubles title. however, venus lost in the first round of the women's singles, another setback as she battles effects of an autoimmune disease. she joins us now in studio 57 and we're thrilled to have her here. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> great to see you. how was this wimbledon for you, was it bittersweet?

>> no, it was a great experience for serena and i. obviously, watching her in the stands in the final, i felt like i played that match. i was sitting there, i was so nervous. i've never been so nervous. i just wanted her to have that feeling. so, it was a great wimbledon for me, for all of us. >> and she came right back and played the doubles as much as she faced, she was right there with you for the doubles. >> and we've done that a handful of times, you know? it's such an honor to be in the singles final . and to be in the doubles finals, it's like, wow. i can't believe we're in both finals. so we wanted to kind of sweep. >> at your very best and at her very best, one on one, who wins? >> well, i don't think that's a fair question, because i mean, i'd have to say me, she'd have to say her and then there would be a big feud and the friendly sisterhood would be over. but we believe in so much and at the same time, we have so much self-belief. i guess the match would just go on and on. it wouldn't end.

>> you had to be impressed with the serve, the way she was serving at bibserve ing at wimbledon. >> oh, my god, the serve! i was thinking, at some point, i've got to be able to handle that. it was so impressive, and everyone, all of our family in the stands, whenever she would get down, we were like, we know the serve's coming, so it was awesome. >> you've got that weapon, you can -- >> yeah. >> do you like playing her, though? because you are very close, very supportive of one another. >> yeah. >> do you like being across the net from her? >> yeah. i mean, that's the age-old question. we've been playing each other since the first time was 1998, so it's been 14 years. it was our dream, to play each other in major finals and we've been able to do that. we've lived our dream. >> so, in the end, you have to say that what your dad envisioned and what your mom envisioned and what has really worked, i mean, it has done everything -- >> wow, yeah. >> -- that you hoped for, everybody. >> yeah. i think one amazing thing in life is to be able to live your dreams and we've been able to

live beyond our dreams, and i would have never thought that that would happen, you know? so, it's very surreal, and the best part is that we still get to do this. >> and two years ago, we were worried whether she would play. >> yeah. >> top flight tennis again. >> yeah. so, she went through a lot of health scares, but the best part is that, you know, the human spirit, especially serena's, is very resilient. >> and yours. how was your fight with illness? >> yeah, we both had issues, and you know, diagnosed with autoimmune disease. and for me, that gave me a lot of answers, and throughout that, i had to change my diet as well. so, i had to make a lot of changes. >> but you've never looked better. >> well, thank you very much. thank you. i became a raw vegan, and i'm not perfect, but i forgive myself when i make mistakes and i do a lot of juicing as well, a lot of wheat grass shots. i do a lot of my wheat grass shots at jamba juice, actually,

lots of fresh juices and things like that. >> for people who aren't familiar, you mentioned an autoimmune disease, something called sjogren's syndrome. what's that actually do to you and your body? >> the thing with autoimmune disease is that it can manifest in so many different ways. so, it affects the whole body. and for sjogren's, it's dry eyes and dry mouth are the hallmark symptoms, but fatigue can be so heavy that sitting in a chair is a huge effort. so, as a professional athlete, if you have fatigue, then that's tough. >> yeah. >> you can also have joint pain, you can also have issues with your internal system. so for me, fatigue is something that i'm always working on. >> right. >> i've made huge improvements since i was first diagnosed, so that has been huge for me, and it's a journey that i continue on, but definitely changing my diet has -- >> helped a lot. >> -- made a big difference. >> you talked about when this became a dream for you, you said in the past that initially it

was your dad's dream. when did it become your dream, though, that you have now achieved? >> well, i think he made it our dream from the very beginning. like growing up, he would say pick one tournament you want to win the most and i picked wimbledon and serena picked wimbledon, too. she always copied me. i said you have to pick your own tournament, so he said u.s. & open. but as it turned out, it became wimbledon for both of us, so. >> in the end what was it that he had and understood? because what you two have done for tennis and have achieved in tennis is unparalleled, is remarkable. >> it's just been a blessing. honestly, i give so much credit to my mom and dad. my dad was a visionary when it came to how he wanted us to play tennis and how we played was his dreams, so we were the students and we went out, and essentially, he changed the game of tennis. it wasn't just us. he was the mastermind behind it. so, you know, he should have a lot of credit for that. >> is there too much grunting in tennis? >> i grunt. >> i know you do. >> sorry. >> give us your best grunt.

>> i have to tell you -- we have to do segment two with you and me. >> that's a good idea. >> yeah. >> but is there too much or do you think it's necessary, and therefore, if it's distracting, so be it? >> for me, i see the ball and that's it. that's all i see. i don't hear anything. and when the match is over, then i enjoy, hopefully, some applause and people enjoyed the play. but i think that the serious competitors, you don't hear anything. you're in the zone on the court. >> i was going to say, this is what they mean by being in the zone. >> yeah. >> great to have you here. >> thank you so much. >> congratulations and much success in the futur

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it was take your father to work day for prince william on monday. prince charles visited his son at the royal air force base wales where william is stationed. charles and his wife, camilla, are on a four-day visit to wales. it's 8:00. welcome back to "cbs this morning." i love it when you can say, dad, this is what i do. welcome. it's nice, nice. >> i'm a prince and you may be a king. >> that's right. >> and i'm charlie rose with erica hill. on monday, the fda revealed a new program to fight the misuse of oxycontin and other powerful painkillers. they are blamed for thousands of fatal overdoses every year in the united states. >> under the new plan, drug companies will have to train health professionals to safely prescribe the drugs. hear to explain all this, director of pain management at

nyu's school of medicine. first of all, this is, as i understand it, a voluntary program. do you feel, though, that it goes far enough? are you happy with this? >> generally speaking, i don't think it goes far enough. it only covers long-acting opioids and also covers more common painkillers. so, for example, vicodin and percocet. and the bottom line is that it's not mandatory. it's something that's elective, and what we do know is that during our training, we don't get enough experience and enough knowledge to prescribe these medications. >> but if it's giving you more experience and more knowledge, is it a step in the right direction? >> certainly, it is a step in the right direction, but it needs to be more comprehensive. also, i think a lot needs to be done at the medical school level and at the residency level to increase the education. >> why not make it mandatory? >> well, it's headed in that direction. i think it may occur, for example, at the hospital level, for you to be credentialed at a hospital, you may have to take a course and do well on it so you could be able to get credentialed. at the state level, for you to get your dea license, you would have to take a test and do well

on it. but i think it needs to be much more comprehensive and be at the federal level. >> so, what's the problem here, doctors don't understand or appreciate the fact that people can become addicted to these painkillers, prescriptions, and before they know it, there's a real problem? >> i think it's something that we understand and have knowledge, but often we underappreciate and don't do enough about. i think there is a on the of opioid prescribing where we overrely on the products, as opposed to a good combination plan that incorporates medications that are not opioids as well as a good fizzo therapy plan and psychological plan to bring it under control, because often it's much more than pain. it's often more complicated than that. >> why aren't they teaching this at medical school? isn't that what medical schools are for, teaching doctors? >> absolutely. it's something we just began to understand in the last decade or so. i think at the medical school level, we concentrate at the organic level, at the liver, kidney, stomach level, so on, and we tend to focus on that, but the pain is much more difficult to understand. >> how serious is the problem?

because some of the numbers i was reading is staggering to me. >> it's huge. it's an astounding problem. it's a growing problem. currently, what's happening is that there are more people that die from opioid misprescribing and opioid overdose than car accident-related deaths. >> than car accidents? >> what are we learning about pain? >> what we're learning about pain is that it's not as simple as just treating it with a single medication. it needs a more comprehensive plan, it needs a biopsychosocial plan to bring it under control. >> what's that mean? >> that it's got to be a good clinical indication, you've got to take into account the patient's psychosocial circumstances as well. but we've got to sort of step away from just looking at pain's course. we have to look at patient's function, putting them back to work, a good psychological and social function is the end score. >> what about doctor shopping, which we've heard about in the last few years, with so much onus on the patient? >> i think patient education needs to be part of it as well, and it is as part of this fda

initiative. i think doctors need better tools to prevent doctor shopping. it's something that's quite pervasive. i mean, you'll have patients traveling hundreds of miles or thousands of miles across state lines just so they're not tracked and getting multiple physicians prescribing to them. >> is there a way to prevent that, if you're talking about these distances? >> yes, there is. it needs to occur at the state and federal levels, but there could be realtime prescription monitoring. >> and are you talking about specific types of pain? you know, because pain is such a broad category, dr. gharibo. it can mean so many different things to different people. >> yes. i'm specifically referring to chronic pain, low back pain, migraines, a whole variety of chronic pain presentations, not acute pain. but it starts at the acute pain level. often, you may get the knee replaced and you're giving let's say 90 vicodins or 120 vicodins, and that's a

"rolling stone" calls bonnie raitt one of the top 100 singers of all time and one of the top 100 guitarists as well. who knew that? this morning, we'll hear why she took a year off, and finally came back. bonnie's story right after the break. you're watching "cbs this morning." ♪ [ male announcer ] what's in your energy drink?

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>> aye-yi-yi! >> 24 years ago. oh, my goodness. >> and you're kissing women on the lips after your interview. how does that work? >> i don't know. i'm so embarrassed. i'm going to fire whoever found this video immediately. this moment was back in 1988, as the nine-time grammy winner was on her way to the top of the music world. >> you looked really good, too. you looked really good. 24 years later, she's back on tour with her first album in seven years. anthony mason spoke with the singer about her return to the studio and the stage. anthony's in the studio. hello, anthony mason. >> good morning, gayle. good morning. bonnie raitt has always loved playing live, but in 2010, she shut down her career. he even stopped touring after her older brother, steve, lost his long battle with brain cancer. >> this new record was really a joy for me because i needed to take a little break and i did. i wanted to take a year off after he passed away and just collect myself. my brother's cancer fight was heroic and he lived another eight years longer than we

expected him to, but when he went, it was rough. so, sometimes it's important to just accept that you need to let those feelings out, not cover them up. ♪ you took a part of me that i really miss ♪ >> reporter: bonnie raitt spent last year away from the stage, but the blues never left her. well, how did you find that year? i mean -- >> challenging and very necessary, and ultimately, restorative. you know, kind of like winter. >> reporter: at what point did you suddenly say, you know what, i'm ready to get back? >> part of it was i've had enough of this civilian life. ♪ i keep asking myself how long can it go on like this ♪ >> reporter: now she's back, and her new album "slipstream" is earning raitt some of the best reviews of her career. that's saying a lot for a woman already in the rock and roll hall of fame. ♪ are you ready for the thing called love ♪ >> reporter: "rolling stone" ranked you among the top 100

singers of all time and the top 100 guitarists of all time. >> very nice. >> reporter: i don't think a lot of people are on both of those lists. >> at least not the women, anyway. ♪ ♪ love me when i can't even love myself ♪ >> reporter: commercial success came slowly for raitt. after her first nine albums failed to break through, the singer was actually dropped by her label in 1983. were you worried at that point? >> no, i was pissed! ♪ i can't make you love me if you don't ♪ >> reporter: raitt was also struggling with drug and alcohol problems at the time, but she cleaned up her act, demand 1989 came back with the number one album "nick of time," which won three grammys -- >> bonnie raitt, "nick of time"! >> reporter: including album of the year. at age 40, bonnie raitt was suddenly a superstar. >> when i got the grammys, it was such an unreal thing.

i mean, nobody expected me to win. ♪ they think we're lovers kept under cover ♪ >> reporter: her follow-up album "luck of the draw" won another three grammys. it sold nearly 8 million records and produced her biggest hit. ♪ let's give them something to talk about ♪ >> reporter: but raitt understood fame could be fleeting. >> i just didn't want that career that was based on a hit single, because i, like my dad, i wanted to be slow and steady. ♪ if i loved you >> reporter: her father was the legendary broadway leading man john raitt, who starred in shows like "oklahoma" and "carousel." bonnie would go to singing school in their swimming pool. >> we'd swim together and i got some quality dad-daughter time alone, and we swam with our heads out of the water. he was like the human jukebox, you know? i would just say, what about this one? and he would sing that. >> reporter: that would be really cool. >> it was extremely cool.

♪ >> all the duets partners i've had, he's the best. ♪ that's just love sneaking up on you ♪ >> reporter: at 62, raitt's voice, as one critic put it, is still sounding like the sonic equivalent of a glass of southern comfort, and the redhead can still break your heart with a ballad. ♪ you know that i need your love, you've got that hold over me ♪ >> i feel like it's what i'm supposed to do is sing about those places that are so painful, in order to make it real for people, you've got to go there. >> reporter: why do you feel like that's one of the things you need to do, or you're supposed to do? >> well, i just from the time i was a little girl, "since i fell for you," i was 11, that song pierced me. people say how could you have your heart breaking at 11 or 12? i don't know. it's just that stuff goes in there. >> reporter: you said in one of your songs "the nick of time," "the road is my middle name."

>> yeah. >> reporter: is it still? >> considering how much -- i shouldn't say this -- i'm happier out here -- i love my life at home, but it's more fun out here. >> reporter: of all the great moments you have, do you have a favorite? >> oh, i don't know. there's so many, every time i step out on the stage. every time is new. that hasn't lost any of the thrill. >> you love that woman. >> you know, she looks great, she sounds great, but i didn't get a kiss, charlie. [ laughter ] >> i suspect that can be arranged. >> oh! charlie's going to make a phone call. >> a little help. >> but she does have it, doesn't she? still has it. >> oh, still magnificent on stage. i was telling gayle in the middle of this, "i can't make you love me," when she sings that, it still sounds like the first time. >> oh, wow. >> it's magnificent. >> "nick of time," everything. >> those albums, it's funny, a couple months before i did this, i pulled out "nick of time" and "luck of the draw," the two albums that catapulted her, and they still sound magnificent.

>> still work today. >> and it's great to rediscover something you knew you loved and then hear it again and love it all over again. it's great. >> the thing she said at the end, most of the ones, the really good ones, just love it on the road. >> well, you've got to, right? if you want to be out there -- as she talks about it, it's a relationship you have to renew every night. >> and it feeds everything about you. >> yeah. and she obviously loves that relationship. >> she looks good, sounds good, really good. that was really nice. >> yeah, it's great. >> you brought back memories, for all of us, not just charlie. a lot of memories. >> charlie's may be a little clearer than ours. >> that is true. >> or not. >> thank you, anthony mason. >> pleasure. how much do women really spend on clothes? we've got the answer. we'll make that "long story short" on "cbs this morning."

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you know, i'm not into the social media thing, so that's why i'm worried that you've got to get out there. i don't tweet. i know you were fooling around with it. >> can't do it. >> no, i can't either! i, well, i don't want to tell everybody i just had a great cookie, you know? >> mm-hmm. >> before twitter, nobody told everyone they had a great cookie except the crazy guy, the crazy guy who was on the corner. i had a great cookie! i had a great cookie! he was crazy then, and now he has followers. >> yeah, that's right. >> that's one way of looking at it. >> one way of looking at it. >> if someone says i did have a

good cookie. we looked around the web this morning and found a few reasons to make some "long stories short" for you this morning. the "l.a. times" reports katie holmes and tom cruise reached a settlement before you could say "mission: impossible." they separated 11 days ago and say they're committed to the best interests of their 6-year-old daughter, suri. the "new york post" says mayor bloomberg has a context to develop micro apartments in new york city. they're larger than a jail cell, smaller than many other places. the micro units have a bathroom, a kitchen, sleeping and dining areas. i've got to tell you, too, my sister lives in a 400-square-foot one-bedroom with a 2-year-old and a dog. >> is she happy? >> she's got a great husband and a great kid. >> well, then she's happy. >> but they would like more space. >> don't we all? okay, here's a question for women in the audience. how much do you spend on clothes? radio station mix 98.1 in orlando says a study says the average women will spend

$130,000 on her clothes during her lifetime. so, that includes, they say, 271 pairs of shoes, 185 dresses, 145 bags or purses, erica -- >> accessories are important, as we know. >> accessories very important. by the way, they say age matters. the younger the woman, the more she will spend. >> i could see that. >> yeah, i could see. a rapper's delight for you now. jay-z is selling nearly half of the seats for his upcoming concert in his native brooklyn for only $29.50 apiece. 7,000 tickets at the rock-bottom price. he says he's giving back to his hometown. these days it seems the fees you pay are more than that. so we like that. >> another reason to love jay-z. and the san francisco "chronicle" tells us about a teacher who is facebook status was brought to fired. she demanded her students turn over their cell phones during the class. one was caught using the cell phone and alice did not back down. alice was then fired by the

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♪ welcome back to "cbs this morning." reporter and author ghe lawson has covered everything from drug wars to ice hockey. >> and his new book covers one of the most bizarre and compelling real-life characters in history, a powerful hedge fund manager who engineered a massive fraud. the book is called "octopus," sam israel, the wall street market and the wildest con.

guy lawson is joining us now. we're pleased to have him. tell us who sam israel was. >> he ran a hedge found called bayou, a high-tech, high-velocity fund that was really a state-of-the-art thing to the average investor, to the sophisticated investors lucky enough to get invested at the time. he was kind of a breed of a wall street hedge fund hero. or at least that's how he appeared to people. >> he was very cocky, by his own description, very cocky and arrogant. was fascinates me about the book is you start out by telling us that he said to you, i'm going to be brutally honest, even if it makes me look bad, i'm going to tell you the truth as i know it, but also know that i'm a liar and i'm a self-confessed con man. so, how did you know what to believe with this fantastical tale he was telling you? >> reporting. i've spent three years at this and i had all these documents, everything you could possibly have to check the facts out, to make sure that what he was saying checked out, and you know, the amazing thing to me is the crazier the story got, the

truer it got, you know. this is a man who probably became infamous for faking his own suicide. >> right. >> after he was convicted and sentenced to 20 years, he ran away and then fooled the fbi. they really had no idea where he was. he turned himself in. so, he's a master of deception as well as a master of delusion. >> what's the most interesting thing about this story for you? >> for me, it's the way in which -- so, i started talking to him in september of 2008. three weeks later, the global financial crisis hit. sam was telling me this story that sounded cooky about a secret bond market in europe and the shadow and the federal reserve's a ponzi scheme. and i don't know if you remember that moment in november and december of 2008 when it just looked like there was no truth to wall street? >> how could you not remember? >> yes, yes. >> so, sam was telling this story as that was unfolding, and that's when i knew i had a book. i knew that sam, who was a true insider -- his family's one of the most prominent wall street families -- or not wall street, commodity trading families in history. very successful people, friends with alan greenspan, sandy wile,

larry tisch, big-time wall street people. sam had been inside the room growing up around these people, so when he was telling me that this was all a big con, i decided that i really ought to listen. >> and after all this, why did he turn himself in? >> deborah ryan, his girlfriend. he couldn't take that he was destroying her life. they arrested her and charged her. and to this day, you know, that's i think his biggest regret. i mean, he really -- >> he regrets that he got her involved? >> yeah. >> yeah, that he got her involved. >> he's very remorseful about the investors he hurt. another thing that's interesting about sam is, you know, people have this idea of the hedge fund person, bernard madoff who was really a monster, a psychopath. sam is a human being. sam was always trying to fix the problem, get over. he didn't want to be a criminal. it's just circumstances came along, he couldn't admit to failure, and so he bought himself time and the lie grew and grew and grew. and so, at the end of it, he's $150 million down, he's got $150 million bucks, what would you do? >> then he gets conned, guy. then he gets conned.

it's sort of like it takes one to know one. so, how much money does he lose ultimately? and then he gets involved with another shady deal. >> yeah. so, what happens is that, as i say, he's down this massive amount of money, he's trying to get something something. his idea is it's america. >> to pay somebody back. >> it's america. nobody cares how you make the money, just make it. he falls in with this alleged cia guy who says there's a secret market. and you know, it sounds cooky, but this is one of the largest international crime, unprosecuted crime -- they call it the crime of the century -- these fake bonds. even right now, someone's watching, thousands of people are watching who have invested in these fake bonds. it's a $10 billion industry that the fbi is pretty much hopeless to stop. >> when you wrote this, do you think this is a movie? >> i did. [ laughter ] >> there for you. >> guy, it is a movie. it is a movie. there are layers and layers and layers. and you talk about bernie madoff. they're in the same prison facility. >> yes. >> so -- >> north carolina.

>> yeah, your home state of north carolina. you must be so proud. what's the difference between the two? do you really, do you think sam is a sympathetic character, sam israel? was he a sympathetic character, to you? >> sympathetic is a word, is a good word, but it's more like he's a complicated human character. he's somebody that you can relate to as he moves through his life. bernie madoff was just a crazy guy. >> so, i said to you in the beginning, who was he. who is he now? >> sam is himself, you know? i think he feels like the 20 years -- white-collar crime was terribly underpunished and now it's being terribly overpunished. what's the point of putting -- he's not a violent person, although in the book -- >> he doesn't belong in jail? >> oh, i think he does. and it's not for me to decide, but sam feels 20 years is outrageous, and i'm, you know, i'm canadian, so i kind of begin -- >> so, you're polite. >> i kind of begin at the not america sentences. i feel like 20 years is a lot.

>> not violent, but he does confess to murder in the book. >> he does. but i think what upset people the most is he made people look ridiculous, and that's kind of the unforgivable sin. he made wealthy, smart people look ridiculous. and you know, there's a lot of people on wall street who kind of get a little nervous when they hear about this stuff because maybe they've got something a little hinky going on, or maybe they don't know what they're investing in themselves. >> bernie madoff did a bit of that, too. >> he did. >> a lot of smart people made serious mistakes because of the story that he was -- >> the thing about madoff's story, it was all whispery. sam's is sophisticated. he was trading. he was really trading and he was a good trader. >> thank you. >> thank you, guy lawson. >> thank you. >> the name of the book is "octopus," now on sale at your favorite place for buying books. there is another book about an outrageous character some people say. do you think you know everything about mick jagger? maybe not so fast. hear what a biographer

♪ can you hear me knocking you'd think after half a century in the spotlight, mick jacker has no secrets left. well, it turns out there's a lot of things we never knew about the legend. >> one reporter has been covering the rock star for legends and is covering it all in "mick: the wildlife and mad genius of mick jagger." christopher andersen is with us at the table. good morning. nice to see you! >> good morning. good to be here. >> there are a lot of things that probably wouldn't surprise people about mick jagger, and yet, you managed to find a few. >> i think people have forgotten about his various incarnations over the years, you know? he started out as a kind of street tough guy who was sold into the stones as the flip side of the beatles, the clean-cut beatles. he became the street fighting man, leading revolutions in the street during the antiwar movement and what not. then he morphed into kind of a glittering fawn during the bisexual androgenous '70s, back

to rock, and he never lost sight of who he was. we never doubted we were seeing mick jagger on stage. i think what's interesting is when he was 30, he said i'd rather die than be 45 and still singing "satisfaction," and yet -- >> and he's still going strong. the stones celebrate their 50th anniversary. >> and he turns 69 in a few weeks. >> and you see him on stage. he has an incredible -- i mean when you see him perform, that man has so much energy. >> and phenomenally, a tremendous discipline, and the great thing from the story is his family story. he is a guy who, the dutiful son, devoted to his parents. his dad was a strict pe teacher, professor, who when he was a kid said get down there and do 100 push-ups. he's taken that through his life. tremendous physical discipline. he is in great shape. and i think it's great to see this guy who's been doing it for 50 years about some of his contemporaries were down three decades ago. >> i'm fascinated how you're able to write books about people without talking to the person you're writing about, and in

such detail. >> well, i talk to the people who know them best, wives, people who worked for them for decades from the beginning, family members, friends, co-workers, mistresses, lovers in mick's case. by one count, 4,000. he's been a busy boy. i'm no paragon of virtue and he's right. >> how do you know they're telling the truth, ex-wives or ex-lovers? >> i started covering them in 1969, the altamont rock festival. i worked at it for "time" magazine, worked in the business for 46 years and i'm careful to confirm every fact that's in the book, so i stand by everything. i never take anything in that isn't confirmed by various sources and the sources are listed in the book. >> do you think mick will be asking you to dinner any time soon? >> i don't expect a thank-you note, but here's the thing. this is a guy, if he wants -- he lives his entire life to shock us, i think. >> do you think he deliberately wants to shock? is that what you think? >> absolutely. i think he always has. i think he's been out there living kind of an outrageous

life. he does also have personal problems. jerry hall proclaimed after putting up with his infidelity for 23 years that he was a sex addict and she asked him to get help. keith asked him to get help and they were thrilled when he sought help from a sex therapist until he seduced the sex therapist. that's the kind of guy we're dealing with, somebody who has personal demons and compulsions, i think. >> but we're also dealing with a guy who is tremendously talented. >> oh, absolutely. >> i mean, when you look at the tapestry of mick jagger's life, all that he's accomplished, and he's super smart. >> unbelievable. >> super smart, and i think that's something people don't really -- you talk about his degree in economics. >> went to the london -- >> he is a really smart guy. >> a financial genius, a personal fortune symptom estimated at $400 million. he is the force behind the stones. he has been responsible for these incredible tours, the rolling stones have five of the top ten grossing tours of all time. they've earned $2 billion on the road. they have sold 250 million records, and he's the guy that's held them all together, and he

stood by keith richards, by the way. keith wrote his own book a couple years ago and keith said some unkind things about mick, and that really caused a huge rift in their relationship. >> but was that really a secret, that in many ways, there's been no -- i mean, there's been a lot of back-and-forth and tension between the two of them. >> right, but for some reason, it really got to mick this last time because keith called mick an annoying bird, unbearable and unsufferable and impossible to work with and said he didn't know him anymore. and worst of all, he casted dispersions on mick's anatomy. he's done this before and it just got to him. for a time there, it looked like it might be the end of their working relationship. they got back together after keith apologized repeatedly and publicly, but not in time to launch the 50th anniversary tour this year, so they're going to postpone that until next year. >> you said you've been covering the stones for a long time. why did you decide now's the time to write something is th? >> 50th anniversary.

i looked back and said, gosh, hard to think of anyone who has had the impact on our culture, on the world's culture, that mick jagger's had. he's a genuine, you know, force of nature, and i think it was time to write it. >> well, listen, i'm a big rolling stones, mick jagger fan here, so -- >> well, this is a book by a fan, too, so. >> are you a fan? >> are you kidding? >> this doesn't sound very friendly. please don't write any books about me. >> it's the whole truth. >> i don't think you'd have to worry about that book, though. >> my life is really square. you'd get something. thank you. >> thank you. >> "mick" is on sale today wherever you like to buy books. we've seen elijah wood grow up on screen as he's here to talk about a good friend he has. his friend's name is wilfred. hi, elijah. >> hello. >> he joins us at the table. i can hear you! >> he can hear us! >> elijah joins us at the table after this break. hello. ♪ ?gw?qyjw

♪ we have been watching elijah wood for more than two decades, first as a gifted child actor, then as frodo in "the lord of the rings" trilogy. >> now he's beginning season two of the hit comedy series "wilfred." he becomes a lawyer who becomes friends with his neighbor's dog, although he sees the dog as a man in a dog suit. elijah wood is joining us this morning. one with an australian accent and -- >> right. >> some interesting habits. >> yeah, some rude proclivities. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> tell us more about this relationship, because wilfred, you see this man in a dog suit -- >> yes. >> even though technically it's a dog everybody else sees, and it's kind of a coping mechanism.

>> it is, yeah. my character is not entirely well. we met him in the first season kind of at -- he reaches sort of an impasse in his life. and at that very moment, he meets his neighbor's dog, whom he sees as a man in a dog suit who kind of starts offering him life advice and pushes him to do things that he wouldn't normally do, and ultimately it frees him of sort of the shackles that he's been living under. so, it is kind of an internal coping mechanism. you can kind of draw your own conclusions. it's a bit like "harvey." did you ever see "harvey"? >> yes, yes, yes. >> something like that. >> harvey's a rabbit. >> that's right. >> you manage to make it work. it's the type of thing when you read the script, you go, okay, it's a dog and i only see the dog. >> yeah. >> very different from the frodo characters. was that what you wanted to do? were you thinking i want to be so far removed from that? >> yeah, i suppose it's easy to be different than the frodo

character. frodo's 3'6" and lives in a shire. but yeah -- >> it's a comedy, that's what i mean. >> it is, totally. and i think as an actor, i'm always looking for a new challenge and a new experience. and the notion of doing a television show was also kind of an exciting thing for me as well. i've never been on television. i love where television's going in terms of story-telling. and the opportunity to do something in the comedy space was exciting. >> it's interesting you say that. what do you mean about where television has gone in story-telling? >> well, i mean, i'm a huge fan of things like "game of thrones" or "breaking bad," "madmen" -- >> i love "breaking bad." >> just incredible story-telling with amazing writers and actors that have -- >> indeed. >> episodic television becoming, you know, having an art. >> absolutely. whereas with the film, you've only got 2 1/2 hours to tell a character's journey. and obviously in a television show, you can tell, you know,

much more in-depth stories over a longer period of time. >> was the relationship with peter jackson a great relationship for you? >> wonderful, yeah. hugely influential in my life. i was 18 when i left for new zealand, and i kind of, you know, became a man during that process, making those films, and -- >> is it true he gave you the ring? >> he did. >> he did? >> yeah. >> i didn't believe that. wow. where is it? >> it's in a pouch that's in kind of a decorative box that's in another box, and i keep it in a crawl space. >> that is a treasure. i also read you like to deejay. is that true? >> mm-hmm. >> i couldn't imagine that. lay something on me. let me hear. how do you do it? >> well, i started actually in new zealand, funnily enough. >> a deejay. >> yeah. then i moved to ipods and now i play with vinyl. i'm a huge music fan. >> me, too. >> i buy a lot of records. >> so, are you talking while deejaying or just playing -- >> no, just playing records. >> you're just an old-school emcee, as the kids of today would say. >> yes, ma'am. >> how do you play with vinyl

today? >> it's the same. two turn tables -- >> but is it fun vinyl? >> yeah. >> really? >> in fact, vinyl sales have increased. cd sales have gone down -- >> because of the quality of the sound. >> well, i think partially, and kids have been exposed to turntables now. i think part of it was they started releasing turntables with usb outs, so you could record your vinyl on their computer, and it gave kind of a new generation access to vinyl, which was fantastic. >> there's some incredible music in your new film. i actually do mean that. watching this film, it's great. >> nicely done. >> yeah. >> i'm thinking i need to get this soundtrack. >> it's an amazing soundtrack. >> it is, it is. >> it really is. this is another -- gayle asked you about the comedy with "wilfred." it's a cute comedy as well that you're in, in this new movie. >> it's really -- that film is really special. i mean, rashida and her writing partner, will, wrote that over a two or three-year period -- >> rashida jones.

>> rashida jones, yeah. and they've been trying to get the movie made for a long time, and i worked with her last year on "wilfred," and just as a friend, i was inquiring about this screenplay, and she sent it to me, and it's so beautiful. it's so funny, but it also, it feels so honest. >> it does. >> in terms of what it means to be in a relationship and to break up with someone. >> and still care about them. >> absolutely, still care. absolutely. it's a very unique kind of romantic comedy. i've never seen anything quite like it, so it's great to be a part of. >> if you were writing a book about going from a child actor to an adult actor, making that path successfully, what would you tell us? >> right. um, gosh, i don't know that there's any magic equation, you know? i think integrity has always been very important to me. and you know, as a young person, i wasn't thinking about the extent of the career. i wasn't making choices so much for --

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